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Re: payaminonis???
Mr. Soares says....."...Payaminonus comes from Ecuador which does not permit
the export of ornamental fish..."
Just a note of my own!!! From the Romer Book pg. 666 (......sign of the
devil.....;-) )........."...a village at the confluence of the Rio
Tutapishcu and the Rio Payaminonis, the Rio Napo System......" This is to
indicate that the A. payaminonis comes from this area. Julio Melgar has
several types of fish from the Rio Napo System. Of the fish from this Rio
Napo System is the fish that I have. This fish is POSSIBLY A.
payaminonis......at worse Julio said to call it sp.Payaminonis or sp. affin
payaminonis.........................Repeat.......Julio is getting fish from
the Rio Napo system and according to Romer himself the a. payaminonis is
from there......you folks
decide...............................................
Those of you who REALLY know me know I am not trying to hide anything from
anyone. I have had these fish for 3-4 weeks. I waited this long to get a
reasonable ID on these fish. I won't drag the people into this discussion
but I went to some very apt people for ID and as usual without the fish in
hand it is terribly difficult. The picture in the Romer book on page 667 is
virtually exact to what I am calling the "Dominate" form of the
males......look at the pic of the female on pg 671.......imagine the fish in
the pic being colored YELLOW and the body spot dark.......it is exactly what
these fish are......look at the video. The fish on pg 669 the nijsseni
looking fish with the caudal color.....look at the video. There are some
subtle differences but books and books and books.....................I have
been around for a long time too and know that books are off some
time...........but there was no attempt to deceive anyone! That's why I put
on A. sp payaminonis on the video......if A. sp affin. payaminonis is better
then so be it.......but let's not say it can't be an A. payaminonis because
Romers book itself says it came from the Rio Napo System.
This fish carries a caudal that is round and the black/red coloration does
not go completely around. The dorsal extensions on the males are EXACTLY
what they look like on pg 667 of Romer. Some of these fish look very close
to nijsseni in subdominant colors which is odd because usually the more
colorful males are the dominate ones...........I think!
Thanks for listening...........................let's have discussions and
trust each other rather than throwing accusations. I am willing to accept
if this fish is A. sp payaminonis but let's talk it over rather than "It
isn't..." because.........................
Thanks all.................Have a super day everyone...............
Mike
Mike Jacobs
SOUTHERN APISTOS
Wild Peruvian Imports...Plus
http://www.southernapistos.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Soares" <apistodave@bendcable.com>
To: <apisto@listbox.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: payaminonis???
> PS- Payaminonus comes from Ecuador which does not permit the export of
> ornamental fish--just a note
> Soft Water Dwarf Cichlids
> David Soares & Uwe Romer
> 14697 S Bluegrass LN
> Sisters Or 97759
> apistodave@bendcable.com
> www.apistogrammaidiots.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Jacobs" <mjacobs2@tampabay.rr.com>
> To: <apisto@listbox.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 12:22 AM
> Subject: payaminonis???
>
>
> > Folks.......take a look at the video...........it's a bit of a long load
> but
> > the is 30 second video will show either A. payaminonis or A. sp.
> > payaminosis.....take your choice I know the books say that A.
payaminonis
> > is no longer in the hobby......but take a look at these!!! The
> sub-dominate
> > form looks like nijsseni which is exactly like the Romer book puts
> > it......take a look at the Romer book and decide for
yourself.........it's
> > fun when these fish come in and you have to ID them!!!!!!! My videos
will
> > get better!!!!.......;-)
> >
> > http://screamindragcharters.50megs.com/payaminonis2.avi
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Mike Jacobs
> > SOUTHERN APISTOS
> > Wild Peruvian Imports...Plus
> > http://www.southernapistos.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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