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Re: payaminonis???
I never said that it wasn;t the fish I said it didn't look like the ones I
had and that Ecuador doesn''t permit export of ornamentl fish both true
statements--stop reading things into what I say
Soft Water Dwarf Cichlids
David Soares & Uwe Romer
14697 S Bluegrass LN
Sisters Or 97759
apistodave@bendcable.com
www.apistogrammaidiots.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Jacobs" <mjacobs2@tampabay.rr.com>
To: <apisto@listbox.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: payaminonis???
> Mr. Soares says....."...Payaminonus comes from Ecuador which does not
permit
> the export of ornamental fish..."
>
> Just a note of my own!!! From the Romer Book pg. 666 (......sign of the
> devil.....;-) )........."...a village at the confluence of the Rio
> Tutapishcu and the Rio Payaminonis, the Rio Napo System......" This is to
> indicate that the A. payaminonis comes from this area. Julio Melgar has
> several types of fish from the Rio Napo System. Of the fish from this Rio
> Napo System is the fish that I have. This fish is POSSIBLY A.
> payaminonis......at worse Julio said to call it sp.Payaminonis or sp.
affin
> payaminonis.........................Repeat.......Julio is getting fish
from
> the Rio Napo system and according to Romer himself the a. payaminonis is
> from there......you folks
> decide...............................................
>
> Those of you who REALLY know me know I am not trying to hide anything from
> anyone. I have had these fish for 3-4 weeks. I waited this long to get a
> reasonable ID on these fish. I won't drag the people into this discussion
> but I went to some very apt people for ID and as usual without the fish in
> hand it is terribly difficult. The picture in the Romer book on page 667
is
> virtually exact to what I am calling the "Dominate" form of the
> males......look at the pic of the female on pg 671.......imagine the fish
in
> the pic being colored YELLOW and the body spot dark.......it is exactly
what
> these fish are......look at the video. The fish on pg 669 the nijsseni
> looking fish with the caudal color.....look at the video. There are some
> subtle differences but books and books and books.....................I
have
> been around for a long time too and know that books are off some
> time...........but there was no attempt to deceive anyone! That's why I
put
> on A. sp payaminonis on the video......if A. sp affin. payaminonis is
better
> then so be it.......but let's not say it can't be an A. payaminonis
because
> Romers book itself says it came from the Rio Napo System.
>
> This fish carries a caudal that is round and the black/red coloration does
> not go completely around. The dorsal extensions on the males are EXACTLY
> what they look like on pg 667 of Romer. Some of these fish look very
close
> to nijsseni in subdominant colors which is odd because usually the more
> colorful males are the dominate ones...........I think!
>
> Thanks for listening...........................let's have discussions and
> trust each other rather than throwing accusations. I am willing to accept
> if this fish is A. sp payaminonis but let's talk it over rather than "It
> isn't..." because.........................
>
> Thanks all.................Have a super day everyone...............
>
> Mike
>
>
> Mike Jacobs
> SOUTHERN APISTOS
> Wild Peruvian Imports...Plus
> http://www.southernapistos.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Soares" <apistodave@bendcable.com>
> To: <apisto@listbox.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 11:51 AM
> Subject: Re: payaminonis???
>
>
> > PS- Payaminonus comes from Ecuador which does not permit the export of
> > ornamental fish--just a note
> > Soft Water Dwarf Cichlids
> > David Soares & Uwe Romer
> > 14697 S Bluegrass LN
> > Sisters Or 97759
> > apistodave@bendcable.com
> > www.apistogrammaidiots.com
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mike Jacobs" <mjacobs2@tampabay.rr.com>
> > To: <apisto@listbox.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 12:22 AM
> > Subject: payaminonis???
> >
> >
> > > Folks.......take a look at the video...........it's a bit of a long
load
> > but
> > > the is 30 second video will show either A. payaminonis or A. sp.
> > > payaminosis.....take your choice I know the books say that A.
> payaminonis
> > > is no longer in the hobby......but take a look at these!!! The
> > sub-dominate
> > > form looks like nijsseni which is exactly like the Romer book puts
> > > it......take a look at the Romer book and decide for
> yourself.........it's
> > > fun when these fish come in and you have to ID them!!!!!!! My videos
> will
> > > get better!!!!.......;-)
> > >
> > > http://screamindragcharters.50megs.com/payaminonis2.avi
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Mike Jacobs
> > > SOUTHERN APISTOS
> > > Wild Peruvian Imports...Plus
> > > http://www.southernapistos.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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