Hi, I've a cuople of cases of popeye. Try this: change 50% with clear water, add 5 drops of acryflavin and wait, wait wait. If after 24 hrs the fish don't get OK.... I think the best way to "euthanize" a fish is put them in a freezer. On a lighter note...... Infusoria an parameciums are a good begin, To continue use BBS, if you feel BBS are dificult to hatch try microworms, most of apisto fry love them. Regards Gustavo E. Medrano Argencard S.A. Peru 143 -2 (B° piso (1067) Cap.Fed. Tel: (54-1) 4340-9800 int. 4927 e-mail: gemedrano@argencard.com.ar >>> achrist@jhmi.edu 10/02 2:10 >>> I hate to ask it, but what is the best way to euthanize a fish? one of my rams has popeye (please refrain from any replies referring to "Olive Oil"). I treated her with maracyn or maracyn 2 (both say they treat it) but last night I noticed it has become enucleated, or at least very close to it. I would like to keep her alive, but I am afraid that whatever has her is far too advanced to cure. If this is not the case please let me know. I know flushing is the cruelest thing. a friend of mine said to feed it to my cat...not a quick death. I'm thinking decapitation, but wanted to get the collective expert opinion from my mentors (pretty much all of you...I am still reading the archives, funny stuff in '97 about those SAE's and CAE's). On a lighter note, my triple red caca's spawned. first spawn that hatched with any of my fish. I felt like I discovered a cure for cancer. So, I know the archives have tons on this, and I think even recently, but can the fry survive on infusoria for a couple of days? I am hatching BBS tonight, but until then... Thanks for the teaching. Archie Christian Creator & Author of "An Idiots Guide to Guiding Idiots" Phone (443) 287-3053 Pager (410) 283-9300 Email Achrist@jhmi.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto Trading at http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto Trading at http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader