Re: L. flavilabris

["Ron Schulz" <beemster@bestweb.net>]

Hi Mike,
  Thanks for your response. Yes... I do now remember seeing at one time the
Kozlowski photo of a pair of  L. flavilabris with fry. That is definately
the fish I had although my pair had much longer trailing anal and dorsal
fin filaments.. Also, if I remember right, Leibel did say it was Peruvian.
Is this fish currently being maintained by anyone? I'd certainly like to
maintain them again. I found their good size, peaceful manner, great
finnage, variable coloration and willingness to spawn an interesting
combination.
.............................thanks......................Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike & Diane Wise" <apistowise@fgn.net>
To: <apisto@listbox.com>
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: L. flavilabris


> Ron,
>
> I had this fish about 15 years ago. They came in
> as contaminants with wild caught Neon Tetras
> (Paracheirodon innesi). They grew up & spawned for
> me on several occasions. It was easy to see when
> they had eggs. Their faces turned a sooty black,
> similar the the dark ruddy color seen on breeding
> L. sp. Orange-fins/Orangeflossen, only black. This
> changes to contrasting bars & a light colored face
> when guarding fry. I don't recall off hand any
> photos in books showing spawning colors, but
> Koslowski's 1st book (Die Buntbarsche der Neuen
> Welt - Zwergcichliden) has a photo of parents
> guarding fry.
>
> It should be rather easy to differentiate L.
> flavilabris from L. thayeri. Both can get long
> dorsal & anal fin extensions, so this will not
> help you. With age L. flavilabris has a longish
> cichlasomine body, like L. curviceps, while L.
> thayeri becomes much more deep bodied, almost
> 'dumpy'. What really differentiates them is the
> dark markings. L. flavilabris has a straight
> lateral band the typically ends at the flank spot.
> This marking in L. thayeri makes a 60º angle at
> the flank spot and extends upward into the dorsal
> fin as a dorsal spot. It looks sort of like a
> hockey stick. Hope this helps.
>
> Mike Wise
>
> Ron Schulz wrote:
>
> > Hi all,.  Does anyone have a good breeding color
> > photo of full grown L. flavilabris? I had this
> > fish about 20 years ago having come upon a wild
> > pair that originated thru Wayne Leibel. What I
> > recall about the pair was the very changeable
> > and dark breeding colors of this fish.In
> > addition, it was a large Laetacara with the male
> > being about 4 inches and a prolific breeder.
> > Finally, the most noteworthy characteristic was
> > the very long dorsal and anal fin extensions
> > (both male and female) which extended well
> > beyond the end of the caudal fin.These
> > tremendously flowing fins made for a very
> > attractive fish.  I'd like to reaquire this fish
> > if possible  but I am not now sure of the ID. It
> > seems that L.thayeri may more fit this
> > description as to size and coloration. However,
> > I've never seen thayeri with the fin extensions
> > or in breeding colors. Perhaps there was still
> > confusion on IDs at that time? Does Wayne
> > participate in this forum? Perhaps he remembers
> > and can
> > comment...............thanks.........................Ron
> > Schulz
>
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