Re: unknown aggies

["Mike Jacobs" <mjacobs2@tampabay.rr.com>]

Rory brings up a question that I think is important for everyone to answer
for themselves.  There is a strain of Aggies in the apisto hobby that is
well accepted.  The Huser strain of aggies. the picture is in the Aqualog in
the aggie section...........NICE FISH..........someone set that strain!  I
assume is was a fellow named Huser.  I have no idea if he simply set an
individual strain or made a cross to produce the strain but it is a very
beautiful strain and produces .....as far as I have fooled with
them............100% perfect.  There are certainly two accepted strains of
Rams......maybe 3........maybe more......there is the wild.....there is the
gold......there is the German Blue.................those are accepted by the
apisto world.  I think as long as you are up front with people you can spawn
what you like.......now with that said if you find the young are infertile
you probably should dump them......if the young are malformed you should
probably dump them.......but if they are a new beautiful strain why can't
you call it the "Jones" strain of aggies?????????????  What is of utmost
importance is that you are up front with everyone as to where the fish came
through.  The ethics of the people involved are really what is at question
question.

I know this is a bit contrary to what people might think but then why is the
Huser aggie so successful and how was it produced??????  Why do people
accept the Huser and all of the forms of Rams and say that others can't
repeat the effort?  This is a very difficult topic to deal with but
folks.........none of our fish are going back into the
wild................none..................why can't we have fun as long as
we are honest?  I have not done this yet because I simply don't have the
time and tanks to follow through a real program of setting a new color form
by crossing and repeating it to the point of it becoming "set".....and I
love to deal with the wild fish....but why not as long as we are honest
about the fish!

I will probably get some static for this but lets talk about it and not
throw bombs......I'm willing to listen........I've been "talking" this
argument with killie people for 30 years.......we should be able to talk
about it also without getting mad!

Mike W. .......do you know the history of the Huser aggie.....maybe we could
start there?

Mike

Mike Jacobs
SOUTHERN APISTOS
Wild Peruvian Imports...Plus
Inca 50's in stock!!
http://www.southernapistos.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rory Lennon" <sejiki@sejiki.fsnet.co.uk>
To: <apisto@listbox.com>
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: unknown aggies


> Surely its a good thing to try to avoid breeding from the same stock
> continously.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike & Diane Wise" <apistowise@fgn.net>
> To: <apisto@listbox.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 6:02 PM
> Subject: Re: unknown aggies
>
>
> > Matt,
> >
> > The agassizii-complex is ... well, complex! We are looking at a group of
> > apistos that is distributed over more than 3000 miles of the Amazon &
its
> > tributaries. Many different color forms are known, as well as
populations
> that
> > are sufficiently different from Steindachner's type material (from the
> > Manacapuru of Brazil) to be considered separate species. Even among the
> forms
> > we consider populations of A. agassizii we see considerable variation.
> Females
> > are particularly hard (usually impossible) to separate by population.
> Koslowski
> > (2002) recognizes 3 different varieties of true A. agassizii plus 7
"cf."
> > species. I tend to agree with Uwe on not mixing fish from 2 different
> known
> > populations. But when it comes to imports of unknown locations, I have
no
> > problems breeding them together as long as you don't claim that they
> belong to
> > any particular population. Just breed them. If they eventually produce
> large
> > (50+) healthy broods then you probably have a pair of the same species.
I
> > wouldn't worry. Just call them A. agassizii.
> >
> > Mike Wise
> >
> > Matt & Linda Crocker wrote:
> >
> > > I brought home a male aggie several months ago, lfs only had the male
> > > and it was very nice looking. About a 2 months ago the lfs finally got
a
> > > female, and I brought it home.
> > >
> > > Just this morning I was reading the Romer atlas and it warned to not
> > > breed aggies from "different imports".
> > >
> > > Does this apply to tank raised fish from unknown origins? How would I
> > > know if they are the same or from "different imports"?
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> >
>
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