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RE: RE: apistos and discus
I have had much the same experience and setup as Yvann. Where it comes to
"discus disease" being transmitted to or from discuss and any tank mates I
believe it's a bit of misinformation. Proper tank maintenance and quarantine
of new tank mates is a must. Those two things have pretty much eliminated
diseases from my established tanks. Yes I still lose an occasional fish to
old age, suicide, and assignation. Discus with dwarfs in a planted tank,
wonderful combo in my opinion.
Erick Jones
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-apisto@v2.listbox.com [mailto:owner-apisto@v2.listbox.com]On
Behalf Of Yvan Alleau
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 9:16 AM
To: apisto@v2.listbox.com
Subject: Re: RE: apistos and discus
Hi Alfredo,
my tank is only a 75 gal planted as i mentionned i think in my email.
I did not keep all these apisto in it at the same time! Way to many fish
that would be, young Jedi.
In fact i had 2 or 3 pairs max (depending of the species) at a given time
in it, as i want them to have space to enjoy themselve. Qty = fction of
their needs and caracter.
I have wild caught discus (and other fish) and did not experience any
suceptibility to disease due to the fact that they are with other fish. I
however go through a 4 week quarantine (some hobbist go for longer
time, which might be even more secure) for any new fish before they are
introduced into a tank containing an established population. Most of my
fish go in their own tank so that works as quarantine as long as no tubing
or other devise is brought from a tank to another.
Secret, if that's one, is frequent small water changes to keep DOM low, as
well as other polutants.
As a start you might want to consider discus and german blue ram. It is a
nice colorful and peaceful species. The effect is garanted: awsome ! Yes
it is a comon fish but still one of the most beautiful. Cacatuoides are
also a good beginner fish, pretty sturdy and quite colorful depending on
the breed you choose. Many other fish will do too.
hope that helps
c ya
On Mon, 3 Mar 2003, [iso-8859-1] Alfredo Figueiredo wrote:
> Ok, just by curiosity, what is the capacity of your tank? You've mentioned
a lot of apisto species and of their breeding, so it must be a large tank or
not at all?
>
> I'm thinking in adding two or three apisto couples but no more than that
(240 L). Do you think is there room for more dwarf species or that's enough
to create a healthy environment?
>
> Another thing: I've red about the developing of discus diseases when they
cohabitate with other species, have you experience of that? Should I have a
special careful proceeding in this matter?
>
> thanks again
>
> ----- Mensagem Original -----
> De: Yvan Alleau <yalleau@coas.oregonstate.edu>
> Data: Domingo, 2 de Março de 2003, 17:06
> Assunto: RE: apistos and discus
>
> > Hi Alfredo,
> > I have kept discus and apisto together in the past and still do.
> > So far, my
> > wild discus have been in the same tank as: A. borelli, A.
> > cacatuoides, A.
> > aggassizi, A. diplotaenia, A. rot punkt, A. maciliensis, A.
> > elizabethae, A.
> > sp pebas, A. trifasciata, D. filamentosa and M. ramiretzi (maybe a
> > couplemore species i can't remeber about right now). I never saw
> > any aggressive
> > behavior at the point where i had to get some fish out. When
> > apistos or
> > discus spawn, they do pretect their territory/eggs/fry but all
> > went very
> > well so far....except for A. sp pebas. The male and its 2 females
> > were very
> > aggressive. I would not keep that fish or any related fish in a
> > communitytank if you want to have a peacefull environment. I guess
> > it might also be a
> > question of volume and surface area. Mine is a heavily planted 75
> > gal tank
> > and the pebas took over the entire tank in less than 5 hours and
> > beat the
> > crap out of everybody including the discus!
> > I guess there are other experiences out there, some probably worse
> > than mine
> > so....i wouldn't make a general rule about what i've said.
> > I guess, if you leave enough space for everyone (with respect with
> > everyspecies needs) that should not be a problem at all between
> > apistos and
> > discus. After all, some share some comon areas in the wild.
> > hope that helps.
> >
> > Yvan Alleau
> > 450 SE Atwood Ave
> > Corvallis, OR 97333
> > (541) 752-0320
> > http://southamericancichlids.com
> > PLEASE NOTE: new address and phone number
> >
> > College of Oceanic and Atmospheric Sciences
> > Oregon State University
> >
> > "When you're far from everything, you're getting closer to the
> > essential"
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-apisto@v2.listbox.com [owner-apisto@v2.listbox.com]On
> > Behalf Of Ricardo Fonseca
> > Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 2:24 AM
> > To: apisto@v2.listbox.com
> > Subject: Re: apistos and discus
> >
> >
> > Olá Alfredo ... LOL
> >
> > I've keeping Discus and Apistos together for a year now and had no
> > problems,but I can't say what happens if one of them starts
> > breeding since I haven't
> > been that fortunate.
> >
> > RAF
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alfredo Figueiredo" <negas@netc.pt>
> > To: <apisto@v2.listbox.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 11:22 PM
> > Subject: apistos and discus
> >
> >
> > > Hi all!
> > >
> > > I have a 240 L tank in which I would like to have discus (2-4)
> > and some
> > > couples of apistos, and I would like to hear some advises from
> > those who
> > > have already tried this mixture.
> > >
> > > I have already kept and bred A. cacatuoides successfully and I'm
> > planningto
> > > add this tank a couple of them, born at my home :)
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
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