Mike, Is it safe to say that a ph of 8.8 is almost not able to be adjusted for apistos?? Thanks, Ken G -----Original Message----- From: Mike & Diane Wise [mailto:apistowise@bewellnet.com] Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 12:47 PM To: apisto@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: Ready to get Started! Need fish! Alan, With a stable pH of 7.5, I assume that you are mixing your R/O water with harder tap water. Pure R/O water will naturally drop to a pH between 5.5 & 5.8 due to atmospheric carbon dioxide dissolved in it. I would recommend that you try to get the pH in the 6.0-6.8 range. This can be done by mixing less tap water &/or filtering the water through sphagnum peat. I would do all the adjustments in holding vats and then transfer the adjusted water to the aquariums. Very few apistos come from basic water conditions - even the whitewater species. Some that are occasionally found in basic water are: A. steindachneri, A. borellii, A. cacatuoides, some of the A. eunotus forms, A. sp. macmasteri, & A. sp. Rotpunkt. These fish will breed in basic water, but I assure you that they are easier to keep & breed - and will be more productive - in slightly acid conditions. Contrary to John's suggestion, A. bitaeniata should not be put in basic water. It is a blackwater fish that does not survive long at pH levels above 7.0 & certainly will not reproduce in it. A. agassizii will survive in your water but won't successfully reproduce in it either. Mike Wise Alan Whitten wrote: > Several months ago, I posted my intent to begin breeding Apistos. > > I have since completed the cycleing on three 10 gallon breeder tanks, each with plants, some Zebra Dainos, and caves. Each tank has been preped with RO water, and currently has a PH of round 7.5. I have a steady supply of frozen food avalible, and I plan to start culturing live food soon. > > I read the Krib section on Good/Bad beginners Apistos, and I have some ideas as to which fish I would like (like Rotpunkts). But most of the species listed there are not very avalible on the net. So what other other species of Apisto's would ya'll recommend for me to start with? And if you have some fish avalible that you think would be good starter fish, and wish to sell them, please contact me outside the list. > > Thank You, > --C. Alan > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For > instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email > apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. > Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto Trading at > http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto Trading at http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto Trading at http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader