Steve, I don't blame you for having problems with IDing your 'cruzi'. One problem is that the fish Kullander used to describe A. cruzi were from 3 different river systems & represent at least 2 different species! Only specimens similar to the holotype, from the Rio Mazán, should be considered the true A. cruzi. Adding to this the problem is, that commercial collectors list nearly every regani-group fish that has abdominal stripes as 'A. cruzi', adds more confusion. Uwe's Atlas pictures at least 3 different different species as A. cruzi. The only photo in Römer's Atlas that I'm sure is the same as the holotype of A. cruzi is the bottom photo on page 359. The true A. cruzi is fairly rare in the hobby. Males can easily be recognized by their unspotted, bicolored, tail - orange in the upper lobe & pink in the lower lobe. Mike Wise Steve Bansee wrote: > But from reading Dr. Uwe Romer's Cichlid Atlas, I'm not to sure the A. > cruzi is A. cruzi because the ones I have has breed in my local tap > water, pH 7.5 gh 4, kh 4. I'll have to post some pictures for you all > to help me ID them. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For > instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email > apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. > Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto Trading at > http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto Trading at http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader