Pete Do a big water change..... clean the house up a bit.... take the females out for dinner... buy them some fancy jewelry.... wine em n dine em... book a vacation for the Bahamas...... that normally makes most females happy again... If that dont work..... do a big water change... watch them carefully..... dont feed for a day or so and see what happens.... if nothing changes , i dont know whats wrong then..... sorry!! Just kidding on the first info lol John ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto Trading at http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader