>>Even that stray subscription request a few days ago felt like news<< Gee !!! I didn't know I caused any excitement. (assuming it was MY request you're referring to.) Actually, I don't keep any cichlids yet. And when I do, it'll probibly be Rams to start with as I have only a single 30 gal community tank right now. I joined this list to 'lurk-n-learn." I also joined the cichlid list and the killies list. But I have actually started keeping Killies. The S/N ratio on that list is annoying. The occaisional $5 fish deal is drowned out by the number of complaints. If more people would just ignore them and delete them from thier in box, there would be no problem. Oh, well. BTW - are there any good web sites with apisto pics. I'd like to develop a visual reference to fish discussed here. Thanks. Bill