Hi all, this is in response to Simon's note about raising fry. I have found that they grow faster and have fewer losses if allowed to remain with the female for 3-4 weeks. I feed microworms and a lot of baby brine shrimp, occasionally some finely powered flake. If I use a 5 gal tank for spawning, then i remove the male when the fry are free swimming, or he sometimes gets killed. In a 10 gal or larger he seems to do ok, as long as he stays away from the fry. The 15 L container with just an airstone, I think an established sponge filter, even a small one will make a lot of difference. I've never had very much success in anything without filtration due to ammonia build up, but I'm sure that I over feed. ============ Reminder: Kindly quote parsimoniously when replying ============= This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@aquaria.net. To subscribe or unsubscribe or get help , send the word "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" or "help" in the body (not subject) to apisto-request@aquaria.net