> Since you all have probably been over this ground many times, I'll be glad > to take any correspondence off-list if that's best. > No....please....I want to hear it too! :-) I have the same water perameters you do...and have been just as frustrated. I just turned down an opportunity to buy apistos from a gentleman that, admittedly, was running low...only 5-6 species on hand. <kick me!!> Tracie ----------- Reminder: Kindly quote parsimoniously when replying ------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@aquaria.net. To subscribe or unsubscribe or get help , send the word "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" or "help" in the body (not subject) to apisto-request@aquaria.net