Yeah, Robert, it is a long, drawnout, discussion, but have you noticed the number of differing opinions? What bothers me is that, while some opinions are based on personal experience, and are pretty much agreed that Algae eaters are at best , a pain, and at worst, dangerous, some other opinions are based on magazine articles and books, and these feel that Algae eaters are cool, useful fish. There is something to be learned about the usefulness of mailing lists like this and Boards like JAWS and Fishlink Central. Meanwhile, I still have not found any Venezualan Ramshorns, because the conversation has turned to Algae Eaters. THis is kind of like a bunch of guys and gals sitting around over coffee and Cokes, discussing their common interest, ie fish, only drawn out over days instead of an hour or two. Hang in there and learn. Bob