By the way guys(ladies too :-) ).....the original female A.gibbiceps has BIG eyes for the largest male from her 1st brood (I put him in with her 3-4 days ago)..........he is 2" and fiesty but has a world to go to catch up to his PAPA.......3 1/2" and as thick as your thumb........yellow from the lower chin down to and through the diagonal stripes.....nifty truncated tail and just as proud as could be....till mama took over.......she was, and still is, only 2/3rds his length and 1/2 his girth....but oh my when she had some fry....she must be Italian!!!!!!!!! By the way, I heard this one.........when the apisto females start laying eggs their growth is a done deal.....comments??? Mike