>>You make it sound like the folks who are turning fish into clubs for BAP points are very cold and calculating. << Kaycy, That was not my intent. I'm sorry if my comments came accross that way. In fact, the Kribs I have I bought at a BAP auction. Six young fry for $2. So I have benefited from the clubs BAP program directly and am thankful and supportive of the program. Plus, the members are always ready and willing to help answer questions and give advice, no matter what the species. The point I was trying to make was that many members may no longer keep the old standards, such as Kribs, because they've "been there. Done that." And, after all, even the mose enthusiastic cichli-diot can maintain only so many tanks. So it's out with the old and in with the new. I really did not intend to make a political statement with my comments. I was just trying to identify a possible explanation why you don't see so many people keeping Kribs. Bill Vannerson http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/william_vannerson