>I still see them frequently in the LFS. But most of the club members have >"moved" on to the exotic African species mostly, with a few folks >hooked on SA cichlids. > >There seems to be an unspoken push in the club to earn BAP points. So >I see some of the top breeders cycling through species; breed 'em, dump >'em and move on to the next. > >I think sometimes it's forgotten that even the old standards like Kribs and >Rams can still be fun to have and watch. > >Bill Vannerson >http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/william_vannerson I've seen in other posts about the BAP programs and all the posts about the BAP participations made the programs sound like the worst thing in the world. After seeing this one I couldn't keep my mouth shut anymore. You make it sound like the folks who are turning fish into clubs for BAP points are very cold and calculating. I want to differ with this attitude. There, I have to admit may be some that are that way, but there is truly nothing wrong with participating in a club's BAP programs. It not only supports the club (the club keeps ALL the monies brought in on these fish at auction) but it is also a learning experience for all who participate. I, myself, enjoy breeding fish to 'donate' to a clubs' BAP program. Not only do I learn about the fish I am spawning and constantly taking photos and writing about my experiences I also learn that I can breed other species besides corys. In Nov. 1993 I joined the Sacramento Aquarium Society and learned of their BAP program. I began turning the fish I spawn into this program in Jan. of 94. I had only been spawning corys and bristlenose plecos for over 6 years at the time I joined. I found out that there is a whole world of different species out there for me to try and get interested in. For that club I had spawned over 48 different species of fish. I found out the ones I like to work with and ones that I didn't. I have also found that I like mainly the South American species. There are a few other species from other locales that I like but mainly my love is for the SA. If it wasn't for the BAP program I wouldn't have learned as much as I know today about different species. To date, I have probably spawned and learned about over 150 different species since Nov. 1993. I want people to know that participating in a BAP program in any club is a very good way to learn. Not only about the fish you are spawning, but also about the species that others are submitting. I hope I don't step on anyone's toes here, but I had to stand up for a very good program that comes with some clubs activities. Kaycy