Thomas writes: << very interesting thread. But forgive me I don't know what means BAP. >> Breeders' Award Program- a sort of scorecard thing run by local fish clubs to encourage breeding a variety of fish, and also raise money by requiring a donation of fry from the spawns for auction. A lot of fun, and a great way to both encourage new hobbyists and to measure one's own knowledge and competence. You earn various titles of recognition along the way to becoming a "Grand Master Breeder", sort of the fish club equivalent of the tenth degree black-belt in karate. Bob Dixon