> > Kathy's second point is interesting. I always considered the male rotpunkt > a bit more on the cacatuoides side of the spectrum than macmasteri. The > females show strong affinities to the macmasteri group. Great fish though, > adaptable to hard/alkaline and very productive. Hmmm, confusing. The male "rotpunkt" doesn't have extended rays in the dorsal or a lyreate caudal fin like a cacatuoides. Definately a large mouth like cacatuoides, though Regards, Ken.