>>> Ken Laidlaw <K.Laidlaw@roe.ac.uk> 02/26/98 12:18am >>> I have > three individuals: two are ~4.5cm and yellow with black markings (mature = or > maturing) and the other is ~3cm and a paler gray color (immature). The = larger > both have black spots by the pectorals, so I assume that they are = females. >Both males and females have a pectoral spot, especially=20 >visible on the males when young. These fish are not too=20 >easy to sex when small, look for a green metallic colour on=20 >the operculum, these are likely to be males. I agree with Ken on this. I picked up four fish from 3 stores as = contaminants. They grey into 3 females and one male. The male did have a = pectoral spot when young but grew out of it later when in full coloration = I believe ( i will double check with Erik on this). Lokking at aqualog = the adult males didn't have pectoral spots. Lars....if you can't find = any up there Seattle definetly does have some (mislabelled) and there is a = local member spawning them as well.=20 Kathy Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List = Archives"!