Steve, I have seen viejita show up both in Houston and Seattle. Most recently = Seattle. =20 On another not for any of you passing or living in Seattle....Fin and = Feather has apistogrammoides mislabeled as Norberti and Norberti II. The ones I saw all looked liked females but there were some hiding that = wouldn't come out. I'd grab them but not enough tank space...... Kathy