>>How do you know you have luelingi and not cacatuoides? >>- Steve > >They grew up! If you mean how to distinguish them when they are small, to >my inexperienced eye it's not very easy. I had to wait until the male >luelingi got the one black caudal fin spot and that light blue vertical >stripe pattern in the caudal, dorsal and anal fins. Females - I have no >idea. Well, I'm just a skeptic. Luelingi are found well outside of commercial fish collecting routes (Bolivia, s.e. Peru), so a big batch of wild caughts seems unlikely. Captive specimens I'm sure are availalble from Europe though. On the females, should be very noticeable distinctions from cacatuoides around breeding time. - - Steve ********************************************************************* Steven J. Waldron phone/fax: (415) 386-7377 2550 Balboa St. #2 email: swaldron@slip.net San Francisco, CA, 94121 USA "Well I woke up in the morning There's frogs inside my socks" - Bob Dylan, On the Road Again