Awesome Thomas! Thats what makes keeping Apisto's fun, contamenants. We never know what we have. Regardless, I reccomend using soft water (1-10 DH) and a pH around 6.5 or 6 until you are sure. It doesn't hurt to go low. I have a well and my water comes out pH 5.5 and less then 1 DH, microsiemns of 30, and a KH of 1. I use this water for all my dwarfs with out problems even my A.cacatoudies but for breeding I adjust (or else i will get 90% males in A.cacatoudies) to what ever is required. A little trick that my wife found ( I cant take the credit) is to use black water extract ( I use boiled peat that makes a tea) I know this is well known but I was not using it because my pH is so low anyway, but it tends to make the water dark and makes many Apisto's like Taenicara candidi much less shy. Give it a try good luck David Sanchez - ---Thomas Soelter wrote: > > Hi folks, > > last monday i've found 3 stray apistos, perhaps a new macmystery. The > shop assistant couldn't tell what it is, where it comes from (surely a > contaminant) nor how much it costs (funny eh). A day later after he's > asked for a price and i've picked them up: 2 males 1 female (i hope it's > really a female - but there isn't a big difference) at a moderate price > (40 DM for those 3 fish). These guys are aprox. 40 - 45 mm. Males got > lyra tail, short extensions on dorsal. > > Now i'm quite sure it's A.gibbiceps - maybe i'm able to photograph them, > scan it and put it on the net - i'd be interested in your opinion. > Gibbiceps is a blackwater fish - right ? Are you able to tell about > values of pH, hardness, electric condutivity, food requirements ? > > Thomas > > > > Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"! > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com