thank you Tom, Dave and Dionigi, for all the great info. I hope I can save them.. Diane AP>FYI - it also knocks the hell out of hydra with no effect on even very AP>young apistos or rainbowfish (in my experience). Use about 1/4 - 1/2 AP>tab per 10 gallons. You will see 100% effectiveness in 24 hours. AP>Tom AP>> ---------- AP>> From: Maladorno, Dionigi AP>> (DRUG;Nutley)[SMTP:DIONIGI.MALADORNO@roche.com] AP>> Reply To: apisto@majordomo.pobox.com AP>> Sent: Monday, April 13, 1998 9:52 AM AP>> To: 'Apisto List' AP>> Subject: Fluke tabs AP>> AP>> David Sanchez <barbax2@yahoo.com> AP>> wrote: <<<< AP>> P.S. fluke tabs have a very good active ingrediant(though I can not AP>> remember its name now) and is another very good option. There was AP>> another message on the list that mentioned it.>>>>> AP>> AP>> FT contains mebendazole (an analogue of flubendazole, it should AP>> kill flukes and nematodes, including their eggs, and tapeworms) AP>> and metrifonate, which acts very quickly on adult flukes, but AP>> does not kill the eggs. AP>> I use FT in a single, full dose, and then repeat a week later, hoping AP>> that if some eggs escaped the first treatment, the second punch AP>> a week later will eliminate the newly hatched larvae before they can AP>> lay new eggs. When FT works, the positive effects are normally AP>> immediate. AP>> The second dose is always at higher risk of causing signs of AP>> toxicity (faded colors, nervousness, headstanding), probably due AP>> to a very high content in metrifonate. Lots of people get very scared AP>> by that, but in reality these toxic effects are normally only AP>> temporary, AP>> and often well worth the benefits provided by the drug. I like more AP>> flubenol or praziquantel, but for many people the easy availability AP>> of FT and its good price and ease of use, represent a great option. AP>> I also agree with you that in tanks with substrate the chances of AP>> lasting success are smaller than in bare ones. AP>> Do you have any info on how long fluke eggs can stay dormant AP>> in a fish-free tank? AP>> AP>> The medication mentioned, I think, by Diane is a sulfa antibiotics AP>> mix, that in this situation would probably be useless, and even AP>> detrimental. AP>> AP>> AP>> Dionigi Maladorno AP>> dionigi.maladorno@roche.com AP>> This message presents personal opinions which are not necessarily AP>> those of my employer. AP>> AP>> AP>> AP>> AP>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- AP>> --- AP>> Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List AP>> Archives"! AP>> AP>------------------------------------------------------------------------- AP>Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"