IDMiamiBob <> wrote: <<<<Cross Breeding In Apistos (...)The tremendous numbers of color varieties of discus nowavialable are becuase discriminating breeders crossed different populations of discus, selected carefully for a number of generations, and produced fish who are genetically pure discus, and colorwise are totally unique, and commercially desirable fish.(...)>>>>> Just for the sake of clarification, I do not think Discus is a good example of cross breeding of different species. In nature only two species of Discus occur (S. discus, or Heckel Discus, and S. aequifasciata, which includes the various green, brown and blue forms), and mixed forms occur naturally, such as brown discus with strong central bar. Even within the S. aequifasciata group, almost all intermediate variations between the basic color morphs can be found in various parts of the Amazon basin. Many people therefore question the validity of separating Discus into two species, thinking that in nature there is just one with elevated variability. For Discus the breeders have therefore artificially selected and created color morphs, rather than cross-bred different species which never do so in nature. Of course, there are lots of examples of true cross-breeding, such as for the livebearers. So, cross-breeding two separate Apisto species, for which it's unknown the exact source (what distributors say is often quite unreliable), and for which it's unknown what the natural morphological variations are, is quite different. Are we sure that to attempt breeding a few pairs of two probably different Apistos is not just a shot in the dark (besides the commercial aspect)? Dionigi Maladorno dionigi.maladorno@roche.com This message presents personal opinions which are not necessarily those of my employer.