OK, I find it necessary to indulge my ever-present urge to summarize and add my own comments. I have been watching and participating in this debate with great interest for the past few days. I even find myself believing it to have been productive. The arguments I have seen against cross breeding are: 1) Preservation of Pure Populations -- If science ever has to reintroduce these fish back into their native habitats, it is important to have pure preserved strains. This is an important goal and one we should all keep in mind. It is also important to attempt to avoid excessive inbreeding. 2) Past Failures -- Hybridization has been tried in the past with only limited success. These past failures should provide vital information to the prospective hybrid breeder and indicates that caution and sharing of information are necessary. 3) Reliability of Available Supplies -- There is a very valid concern that irresponsible breeding of hybrids might result in the supply of apisto's on the market becoming unreliable in terms of purity of strains. All of these arguments indicate that if hybridization is to be attempted, it should be undertaken cautiously and responsibly. It is possible to breed hybrids (or simply new color-morphs within a single species) without sacrificing the goal of preserving pure populations of naturally occurring strains and without damaging the reliability of the fish available on the market -- but only if the endeavor is undertaken with a sufficient degree of forethought. The arguments I have seen for cross breeding are: 1) Increasing the Popularity/Beauty of the Population -- Personally, I do not care how popular apisto's become, so long as they remain available and reliable. As for beauty, if some beautiful strains can be generated and documented as to their origin and multi-generational genetic reliability, I would be interested. 2) It Has Worked for Other Fish/Plants/Animals -- Some of the fish and plants available today would not exist without cross-breeding (not always hybridization - sometimes just cross breeding of color strains). This holds true for other animals -- most of our domesticated house pets would not exist without cross breeding, and these are distinct species from their forebears. It is important, however, to insure that we do not "destroy" those species that occur naturally. 3) Pursuit of Greater Knowledge -- Some of the species of fish that are identified (not just among apisto's) are classified based upon their appearance/markings without first conducting research into whether they are genetically distinct species. There is a possibility that some of the species identified might be fully genetically compatible with other species. If this were discovered to be the case, it might prompt a rethinking of some of the classifications. Biology has a long history of home-grown researchers, so this is possible, however unlikely. If cross breeding is to be done, it is important to make sure it is done without polluting the naturally occurring strains. I think this holds true for cross breeding color-morphs within the same species as well as for breeding true hybrids. It is also important to make sure that the reliability of the supply available on the market is not compromised. So, if it is to be undertaken, forethought, good record keeping and documentation, and sharing of knowledge gained are vital. Do not sell cross-bred fish without making sure the buyer knows exactly what he/she is getting. For the time being, I think this goal implies avoiding sale of such fish to most stores. Also, let other apisto lovers know what your results are... the knowledge does no good if we do not share it. With sufficient care, cross breeding experiments may be possible without damaging the populations of apisto's which already exist. I think the bottom line is that ANY breeding should be undertaken responsibly. Sorry about the long post, but I wanted to kill this horse and hopefully let this debate die down for the time being. We are not all going to agree and we are certainly not going to be able to force others to share our opinions. For those of us who do not want to see cross breeding undertaken, the concerns expressed are valid but it may not be possible to prevent those breeders who want to from doing so... the best that can be done in that case is to ask them to keep those concerns in mind and do so responsibly. For those of us who are in favor of cross breeding, there is a responsibility to other apisto keepers to make sure the reliability and preservation of these fish are not sacrificed. Cliff Fonda