I found my luelingi to spawn in the exact same fashion as other apistos. The female laid eggs on the top inside of a flowerpot on its side. The spawns were very viable, even though I used straight Buffalo tap water (about 160-170 hardness and ~7.5 pH). I was feeding mostly flake and BBS, though they also got occasional feedings of whiteworms. I had not problems with them spawning about every 3 weeks, and neither was shy, though the male would occasionally bully the female between spawning events. I don't necessarily suggest that these water conditions are more appropriate for this species, but this happened to work for me. And yes, these were definitely luelingi, and not a form of cacatuoides. Of course, apistos act differently for different people. I currently have some rotpunct (sold as sp. "red point") that look fine, but just won't spawn. I have had them previously, with similar poor spawning results. Yet, most other aquarists in my area were spawning these like crazy about 6 years ago. You could not give them away back then. So, it could be the fickle-ness of the pair, or something peculiar in the set-up relative to the species. Unfortunately, I had an unexplained death with the female (no outward signs of disease or wounds and no unusual behavior just prior to death), so I am left only with a few fry. Anybody have extra females? Tom > ---------- > From: swaldron@slip.net[SMTP:swaldron@slip.net] > Reply To: apisto@majordomo.pobox.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 1998 2:20 AM > To: apisto@majordomo.pobox.com > Subject: Re: Spawning Luelingi > > Doug, > I would raise your pH (try 6) and also separate your pair for awhile. > From > what I can vaguely remember- luelingi have unusual reproductive habits > for > apistos -reported to spawn around depressions in the substrate at the > base > of plants. Perhaps add some find sand and some sword plants. Are you > sure > they are mature enough to spawn? Good luck > - Steve > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List > Archives"! >