ACAers.........I too got some of the A. uaupesi from the ACA, but one of the fish WAS. The other one that came with it might be A. iniridae or A. meinkeni or A. pertensis. Mike (Wise)...or anyone, please jump in....could you help with the differentiation of those three? I have a pair of A. meinkeni 'Tefe' from Julio......they are full grown but I have to tell you guys......I have a tank full (maybe10-12) of contaminantes that came in as "checkerboards"...the LFS called me and I got them all and I have been trying to id them for a month. They certianly look like the A. meinkeni Julio sent me but in looking at ALL of the pictures in the Linke Staeck and the new Bork....I'm not so sure of the id's on the pictures because of all of the similiarites. The story from the ACA and the bag of fish that was brought back to me was that they were A. uaupesi (from the dealer) but Julio had looked at the bag and said "He questioned A. uaupesi but didn't know what they were.". What I'm calling uaupesi looks EXACTLY like pg 103 in linke Staeck with the yellow and ALL except there is a second faint but very distinct lateral stripe below the prominant lateral stripe. I understand that uapesi has that "double"lateral line....true????. If anyone agrees does anyone have a female A. uaupesi?????? or does anyone want to TRADE my male for a pair of something......he is gorgeous and right up front of the tank....he's a "teenager", not an old droopy male and has years of life in him. But the big question is the REAL visual difference in A. pertensis, meinkeni, and iniridae. I need help here folks. By the way does anyone want 2-3 pair of what ever I have......trade.....no money....I'm easy to please. Thanks Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!