Mike wrote: Apisto folks........about a month ago I got some fish from Julio. Great fish, but that's not what I'm asking about...;-) My A. sp "Mamore Blue" spawned and there are about 30-40 wigglers. Question...I also got a pair of "Mamore reds"....they were smaller and are just now coming up to breeding size, but will I get "Mamore Reds" from the "Mamore Blues" or are they seperate from one another or does anyone know yet?............great fish folks. Very stately....very proud upfront fish! How close to A. trifaciata are they.....has anyone decided yet? As to how close they are to trifasciata, I do not know. If I remember correctly (from conversations with Julio and others), the "Reds" will produce a few blues in their offspring and the "Blues" will produce a very few reds in their offspring. Whether it's "Reds" or "Blues", they are IMHO on of the most attractive apistos around. --Cliff ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!