Thanks for your comments, Mike,Hans & Kathy. I'd love to be able to post a photo but I'm not that technologically advanced yet! I'm pretty certain now that it is Pertensis. It has 7 bands on the caudal, and is generally bluish. It looks most like the Pertensis in the Linke & Staeck book (and absolutely NOTHING like the Pertensis in the Mayland/Bork !! ho ho).However he does'nt have long ventrals(they could have been nipped off). As for the fry-They've been free swimming for 9 days and there are 35-40(buggers to count). Plumping up nicely on bbs. Seeing a brooding female apisto for the first time is truly awesome. Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!