My "Sunset" female is also actively guarding a cave and has turned bright orange! Definitely not the standard (if there is one) apisto spawning yellow. Maybe this wasn't so hard after all? Also, just for fun, Sven Kullander playing with his jars of fish: http://www.roka.se/maf/mafiosen/hemmahos3.html -Doug Brown debrown@kodak.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!