Hey tanks for the quick response. I was told they were reds. Its just my luck to get all of the same sex:) What do you keep as far as apistos go. Right now Im working with wild steindachneri. I just had my first spawn. Unfortunatly it had nothing to do with me. I just noticed one day that there were fry in the tank. The spec were 6.0 and about 40dgh and temp 79f. when I noticed them there were only about 25 left. weel see. Sorry for rambling. Let me know if you can sell me a few. Thanks Davidde ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!