Hi, Take a look at Erik's krib web page, he has good id photos there. Males. Panduro more solid blue colour than nijsseni. Nijsseni has more yellow towards the head end. Anal fin of panduro is blue, more orange/yellow on nijsseni. A black triangular patch is visible going into the tail of panduro but only some specimens some of the time. Females. Biggest difference is the lack of a caudal spot on panduro. Other black markings very variable on both species. Nijsseni females should have there gill cover almost completely black, some panduro also but some only have a slim cheek stripe. The mid-body blotch is generally bigger on nijsseni but then it can be totally missing on some specimens. Hope this helps, Ken. ***************************** Ken Laidlaw UK Astronomy Technology Centre Royal Observatory, Edinburgh Web: http://www.roe.ac.uk ***************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!