> As a further note, someone was wondering how a low pH tank could function > and not "crash" if no Nitrogen Cycle activity was occurring, I will repeat > what was said earlier. The ionized ammonium ion (NH4+) does not pass through > cell membranes (read "gills") and therefore is not take up by organisms, and > is not toxic to our fish. Therefore, it does not really matter if nitrate or > ammonium accumulates in our low pH tanks, as long as correct tank maintenance > procedures are followed. I've read this very informative thread with great interest. I'd like to add a couple of comments and questions: I'm not sure I'd go so far as to say that NH4+ "does not" pass through the gill epithelium. I had thought that the reason NH3 had an easier time passing through is because of its electrostatic neutrality. Thus, unlike the cationic NH4+, it does not require ion transport channels, and so presumably its diffusion is not inhibited by other ions by competition for passage sites. >From this understanding, I hadn't inferred that ammonium _could not_ or _does not_ diffuse through, but that it did so more slowly and in competition with similar ions. Is my understanding inaccurate? I'd also like to mention that while ammonia (as ammonium) is relatively safe at an acidic pH, something like the opposite is true for nitrite. Nitrite (NO2-) has a pH dependent equlibrium with nitrous acid (HNO2). However, while both are toxic because they oxidize hemoglobin to methoglobin and thus inhibit oxygen transport in the blood, nitrous acid is the more toxic of the two. It's my understanding that HNO2's electrostatic neutrality makes its passage through the gills easier. (See above explanation). Unfortunately, nitrous acid predominates at an acidic pH, so having an acidic pH helps protect against (or perhaps prevents ammonia poisoning, but just the opposite is true for nitrite (nitrous acid) poisoning. Further, HCO3-, which I would guess is in low concentrations in acidic conditions, helps inhibit nitrite poisoning by competing for passage sites. (Chloride does a better job, though). I'm not a biochemist, so if I've made errors, please correct and comment. Andrew > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, > email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. > Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!