Hey, just had to share.. Picked up some stray apisto's 3 weeks ago, 5 that came in with some dicrossus. I knew the dicrossus were sick so I stuck them in a five gallon isolation tank, bare except a PVC L, and five white cloud babies for dithers. It was an established tank...other than the fact it was essentially bare. Immediatelly 3 of the 5 died within the first two days. I was too busy to muck with antibiotics, so I just did frequent water changes and the other two survived. Turned out to be a male gibbiceps and what looked like a female gibbiceps but not really black ventrals. I figured great some more stray males. About 5 days ago I decided to add to the tank a wounded P. Suboccellatus matadi female. She is a great spawning female and scraped her dorsal fin on a cave entrance...looked like it was getting superinfected...she was in Eriks crypt tank which meant I couldn't do much with salt and antibiotics for fear of melting the crypts. Not good for spousal relations.. So, I put her in the 5 gallon with the gibbis. Adding 1 t salt and antibiotics all looked good. Then I left home for all of 36 hours. Came home today to a beat up suboccellatus, top corner. Put her back in the water, figuring she was just on her last leg. And then two apisto bullets came after her. Well it wasn't her...its was them. I couldn't figure out why, then I noticed the yellow color with the black dot....duh. They spawned in the PVC L, I had to look, and there are 40 eggs...we'll see if they last after all of the disruption. Pulled the suboocellatus out and 3 of the white clouds so there is less fish to pick off fry. I still can't believe I spawned gibbiceps in a bare bones 5 gallon tank and no plants. Surprise to me. I am dancing around the house though, I have wanted to spawn this fish for awhile. Gave up earlier this year when I could never find a female. Figured I would just have to go to Florida and visit Mike Jacobs for the right fish. Sorry its so long. Just was so excited, I wanted to share. Kathy ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!