Hi, I've been lurking for a while and this is my first post. In Indonesia I've seen three types of rams, the wild type ( blue ), the xanthic ( gold ) type, and the sunset ( sunrise? )type ( possibly a cross between the two common types with the yellow part in the front half ). Anybody has experience with this third type ? Please share. A few days ago a visit to a local fish market I found some altispinosa ( at least I think they were ) but the size is wrong ( perhaps ) since they were about 4 inches long end to end and an inch deep body. I postponed obtaining them since I'm not sure they really are altispinosa due to the size. Is it possible that they can be that big ? Has anybody kept them long enough for them to reach that size ? Hope it's not just some altispinosa on steroid :(. TIA Reza Jakarta, Indonesia ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!