........And quite frankly Rich, this is the conversation that I expected. Not to be told "......I didn't understand the conversation, so get out of it........" This really could become a great thread......and there has been some good ones in the past 1 1/2-2 years. And I'll go you one better....with out even hearing a response from Dave I will withdraw the bet offered and apologise to the list and to Dave for the outburst on a great list...............Dave, are you out there? Mike Mike Jacobs Math Instructor, Center for Advanced Technologies Lakewood H.S., St Pete, Fl. mfjacobs@geocities.com mikejacobs@ij.net -----Original Message----- From: RDotta7777@aol.com <RDotta7777@aol.com> To: apisto@majordomo.pobox.com <apisto@majordomo.pobox.com> Date: Thursday, November 05, 1998 3:35 PM Subject: Re: Rams de-selection >In a message dated 11/5/98 12:17:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, >mikejacobs@ij.net writes: > ><< .you then find two pair of egg laying Rams > that eat their eggs/fry at some point in the process............you will get > the fish to me anyway you choose, honerably....if you are.... and I will > spawn them and they WILL raise their young to about 2 + weeks after > free-swimming, and prove to you that given the right water........pH, > hardness, temp, light, enviroment, and all...........they have not lost the > "inate parental behavior" you think they have, they want a different > environment than what you have given them............most aquarist don't > understand that what is necessary for good parental behavior in fish is for > the fish to be happy with the surroundings not the aquarist. Have you ever > noticed Mr. Gomberg, that wild rams tend to be seasonal........ >> > >Mike raises some very interesting points. However, as with all properly done >experiments, this would have to be done with control groups. That is where >the rub usually occurs in the natural world. It is very difficult to hold >everything constant except for the one variable that you are trying to >measure. There is always an arguement that something tipped the experiment >one way or another. > >Lorenz did the earliest documented experiments with the ducks that followed >him instead of their rightful mom because he was the first they saw. This >experiment does show that there is some form of imprinting that occurs very >early in life. The theory that I like to believe is that genetic code in >every individual (including fish) gives the animal the capability to adapt to >the surroundings afforded it. > >I need to do some serious thinking here and try to relate things in a more >orderly fashion. > >Now this is fun. > >Rich D'Ottavio > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. >For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, >email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. >Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!