Re: Rams de-selection

["Mike Jacobs" <mikejacobs@ij.net>]

........And quite frankly Rich, this is the conversation that I expected.
Not to be told "......I didn't understand the conversation, so get out of
it........"

This really could become a great thread......and there has been some good
ones in the past 1 1/2-2 years.  And I'll go you one better....with out even
hearing a response from Dave I will withdraw the bet offered and apologise
to the list and to Dave for the outburst on a great list...............Dave,
are you out there?

Mike

Mike Jacobs
Math Instructor, Center for Advanced Technologies
Lakewood H.S., St Pete, Fl.
mfjacobs@geocities.com
mikejacobs@ij.net
-----Original Message-----
From: RDotta7777@aol.com <RDotta7777@aol.com>
To: apisto@majordomo.pobox.com <apisto@majordomo.pobox.com>
Date: Thursday, November 05, 1998 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: Rams de-selection


>In a message dated 11/5/98 12:17:45 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>mikejacobs@ij.net writes:
>
><< .you then find two pair of egg laying Rams
> that eat their eggs/fry at some point in the process............you will
get
> the fish to me anyway you choose, honerably....if you are.... and I will
> spawn them and they WILL raise their young to about 2 + weeks after
> free-swimming,  and prove to you that given the right water........pH,
> hardness, temp, light, enviroment, and all...........they have not lost
the
> "inate parental behavior" you think they have, they want a different
> environment than what you have given them............most aquarist don't
> understand that what is necessary for good parental behavior in fish is
for
> the fish to be happy with the surroundings not the aquarist.  Have you
ever
> noticed Mr. Gomberg, that wild rams tend to be seasonal........ >>
>
>Mike raises some very interesting points.  However, as with all properly
done
>experiments, this would have to be done with control groups.  That is where
>the rub usually occurs in the natural world.  It is very difficult to hold
>everything constant except for the one variable that you are trying to
>measure.  There is always an arguement that something tipped the experiment
>one way or another.
>
>Lorenz did the earliest documented experiments with the ducks that followed
>him instead of their rightful mom because he was the first they saw.  This
>experiment does show that there is some form of imprinting that occurs very
>early in life.  The theory that I like to believe is that genetic code in
>every individual (including fish) gives the animal the capability to adapt
to
>the surroundings afforded it.
>
>I need to do some serious thinking here and try to relate things in a more
>orderly fashion.
>
>Now this is fun.
>
>Rich D'Ottavio
>
>
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