Re: A. norberti "Sunset" (was Apistos)

[Tim Ellis <timellis@flash.net>]

Mike,

This may be a little off subject but, is there any way you can describe A.
payaminonis for me. The lfs here brought in an order of A.nijsseni that appears to be
A. pandurini with something else in it that may be A. payaminonis. Very similar to A.
pandurini and A.nijsseni, but has a red line down the side, and the tail is very
similar to the sketch in the Mayland & Bork.

Thanks

Tim

Mike & Diane Wise wrote:

> Jota Melgar wrote:
>
> > Andy wrote:
> >
> > > in a possibly related issue a LFS got in a group of young A.
> > >norberti "Sunset" today.  I had previously thought that A. Sunset was a
> > >trifasciata like fish.
> >
> > A. norberti "Sunset", A. sp. "Sunset", and A. atahualpa are all the same
> > species. When they were first discovered they were being exported as
> > norberti "Sunset" and a few exporters still go by that name. I remember
> > hearing that they were in the nijsseni complex of the cacatuoides group.
> > I'd like to hear the reason for placing it in the nijsseni complex if
> > anyone cares to explain.
>
> Julio,
>
> I think Uwe placed it in the nijsseni-subcomplex because it is so closely related
> to A. norberti. A. norberti is commonly placed in the nijsseni-subcomplex because
> it normally has a round caudal fin with a dark and light (not orange) rim along
> the edge.  All members of the cacatuoides-subcomplex have banded lyreate tails.
> Personally, I look at A. atahualpa & A. norberti as being bridge species
> intermediate between the two subcomplexes, since they exhibit features
> characteristic of both. Both A. atahualpa & A. norberti have abdominal stripes,
> diagnostic of the cacatuoides-subcomplex. Both have the extended anterior dorsal
> fin lappets found on all cacatuoides-subcomplex, but only one nijsseni-subcomplex
> species (A. payaminonis). A. norberti has a unique tail pattern that combines
> features of both sub-complexes - caudal bands (cacatuoides) and dark & light
> rimmed edge (nijsseni). A. atahualpa is unique in its own way, too. It's the only
> member of the cacatuoides-complex that has no pattern at all. Both species can
> develop short lyre tails on exceptional specimens. This tail form is only seen in
> cacatuoides-subcomplex species. A. payaminonis' is squared off not lyre tailed.
>
> Mike Wise
>
> >
> >
> > As for the aggressiveness of A. atahualpa, I have yet to see any out of the
> > ordinary. Then again, I haven't seen A. panduro behave as aggressively as
> > some of you have.
> >
> > Julio
> >
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