Mike, I pulled the photo of each, the macmasteri and the rotpunkt, into Corel Draw to view the photos side by side and I can see what you are talking about. All these years I knew them as macmasteri and now to find out they were misidentified to begin with! Arrrrgggghhhh! I think because of this that hobbyists really need to make sure what they have before selling them to others. I got my original pair from David Soares as A. macmasteri. Later, Darren was telling me yesterday, that I had gotten some from Capitol Aquarium listed as A. rotpunkt. Thanks everyone. If there are anymore species on my site that are misidentified, please let me know. I don't want others misidentifying their fish because of my photos on my site. Kaycy http://www.calweb.com/users/d/djhanson/index.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!