First let me apologize if I am screwing this up. As a list newbie I'm entitled to make a few mistakes. I recieved a private (I think) E-mail from a list member asking about my cacatoides 'Red-flash'. I sent the reply thinking it would go to the list, but, I think it only went to the original sender. I am hoping someone on the list can help out with this. Please excuse me if this is a duplicate Bob ------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for asking about the "Red Flash". You notice I put a question mark after this ID. I use the name red flash because the only picture I have seen that comes close to showing what these fish look like is in the Aqualog pg. 26 bottom right. In this photo they are called red-flash, however, in the photo immediately above a similar looking fish is called gold-orange. I first obtained these in 1995? (I'm at work and my notes are at home) and they were called German Orange. The fish were sold in pairs and I think that whoever exported them wanted to slow their spread as the first generation of offsprung were some of the ugliest cacs I have ever seen. I don't know what type of females they were paired with, but, definately not the same as the male. I spent about 4 generations crossbreeding them to get a good looking fish and the strains I now have are outstanding. Many of the males have solid orange caudals of the most vibrant orange I have ever seen. The dorsals are also very orange as are the anal fins. The general body is a yellow orange and they are very striking. Of course there is a degree of variation in them and a few of the fry are still a more traditional "double red" type. There is also variation in the degree to which the caudal is colored. Most are at least 50% with probably half being 75% - 100% solid orange. I brought quite a few of these to the ACA convention in Chicago and quickly sold them all. I have also sold quite a few of them to Anchor Bay Aquarium who has sold them as well. I believe that at about the time mine were imported there were also some of these in the Miami area. I don't keep as close of touch with other breeders as I used to and I don't know if anyone else is keeping these now, or if there is an accepted name for this color strain. Perhaps someone else on the list knows? I am not a fish photographer (this has caused me frequent regret in the past) and I don't have any photos of them. I also only know of the Aqualog photos. I seem to recall that Cichlid News ran a very poor photo of this strain in their Whats New section about 3-4 years ago. I currently am sitting on a ton of these and would be interested is selling them when my shipping weather improves. Bob _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!