> I read in A. Konings cichlidbook (the green one) > that cacatuoides only live 9 months, borellii gets > to two years average. Mmm, don't know about this distinction. On the whole I'd say Apistos don't live long. If you breeed them and the fry grow to maturity in 4/5months then it should be possible to keep them going over a long period. > Now, could I get away with two females and one > male borellii in the 20 long? What size in inches is a 20long, over here (UK) we talk in terms of lengthxheightxwidth. Your gallons are a differnt size to our's also. If it is 36" long then I'd say you could easily keep 2 or even three females. Borellii are one on the most gentle Apistos IMO. Provide plenty cover and try and break the tank into distinct territories using landmarks such pieces of bog wood. > About the water chemistry, is GH/DH of 4 too high > for a borellii? Borelli are an easy to breed Apisto and along with cacatuoides and a few others do not need very low pH/hardness water. 4dH is still pretty soft isn't it? > So, black neons make a good dither... They aren't very > expensive here (under $1.5). I can get to white clouds > too (Tanichthys alabonubes). Which one of both is the > best (ie. eats less Apisto fry). Any fish will eat fry if they get the chance. Dithers are not really needed for borellii or cacatuiodes if at all for any apistos. If you want something in their get slow swimming surface dwellers. I like Aphyosemion bitaeniata. They will even produce their own fry if you add some java moss to the tank and they are gorgeous. Good luck, Ken. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!