I tend to agree with Mike, even though I have many friends that have used the worms in question and never experienced any problems to me it's just not worth the risk when there are many other safe alternatives. I once used some tubifex worms( I know not the worms in question) and found that they introduced some tape worms they used some snails as a secondary host and then attacked my fish. I have used earth worms in the past and I can say their quite effective for conditioning your breeders. I even used the larger night crawlers. I just zapped them in the microwave for like 30 sec. and then I'd use a razor blade to chop them up.(better not tell your spouse your doing this!) My Apisto's went at them with gusto. Haven't done this in a while, had a good source of worms at the time. Another excellent live food i like is Mosquito larvae (check with state laws to see if it's legal to raise them in your state) I use a container with lots of surface area and place them in a shady area ( under a tree or bush works best) and i add water and about a cup of milk per 5 gallons. In a few days voila tons of larvae. In Florida this works great since we have these little bugs around almost year round. The infusion usualy crashes after a couple of weeks so its good to have a few going at the same time. Mike, what are your feelings on these "farmed larvae" in respect to their potential for disease? I don't recall ever having a problem. Dave ---Mike & Diane Wise <apistowise@bewellnet.com> wrote: > > This is just my opinion. Take it for what it's worth. > > I can't count the number of times that I've had people write or call me with a > problem with a sick apisto. Many times it's a fish they have had for month that > suddenly pales out and stops eating or develops red sores on the flanks. 3 times > out of 4 they mention that they feed black worms to their fish as a live food. > > Black worms are a tubificid worm and just like red tubifex worms require a septic > environment for feeding and breeding - just not quite as bad. No matter how well > you rinse them there is still the chance of introducing parasites and disease > organisms with them. Anything that would completely sterilize the worms will also > kill them. There are so many other great live foods out there that can replace > black worms. I'd recommend red African worms or baby earthworms. > > Mike Wise > > John Wubbolt wrote: > > > I'll feed live foods in the morning and dry foods in the late afternoon or > > early evening. > > Live foods like black worms, white worms, daphnia, live brine shrimp are > > what I use when available. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. > > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, > > email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. > > Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"! > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, > email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. > Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"! > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!