Good luck getting those trumpet snails out of your tank. I have never been able to completely remove them from any tank without doing a complete break down of the tank. Just when you think the snails are gone a week later they reappear. Of course if you had any clown loaches in your tank the snails would disappear but then the clown loaches would want to compete with the apistos for the caves in the tank. John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!