Hello Kym My water conditions are a pH of 6.8 and a hardness of 60 ppm, but like Mike stated the Altispinosa need to be mature enough to spawn not just large enough. I've got a tank full of young guys in the 8 month old range and they are a long ways away from spawning. Maybe next year at this time I can get a second generation of my own fish. I really love the colors of the Bolivian Rams when they are in spawning mode. My male was show stopper gorgeous when he was courting the female. John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!