My pair final spawned at a ph. above 7.6 and a temp. of 81. I think they laid around between 20-50 eggs. Thanks for all the info on getting them to spawn. Jonathan at "dgkoehn@gbasin.net" ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!