Erik basically covered it all. I was really hoping to find some really cool stuff on the Rio Negro but found that with the high water it was more difficult than I thought. (ie dicrossus, biotecus, lots of blackwater apisto's) On the Rio Negro Sometime 2 hours of fish collecting would yield 1-2 apisto's, and a bunch of latecara, tetra's, geophagus, etc. Then there was that am exploring the forest and tributaries where we stopped on shore for 30 min bathroom stop. There I got 3 A. hippolytae...thankfully a pair, and 3 other apisto's and 5 fry. A good haul for what we had encountered so far on the negro....then evryone else piled back in the boats (being plant people, botanists etc) and off they went to search for plants, I should of dug in my heals and stayed but got pulled back in the boats. The areas we collected on the negro, had dark tannic water. Main channels pH in the 5's with occasional 4 in the small local areas we collected. The apisto's were very shallow in 2-6 inches of water. Lots of leaves on the bottom and spiders everywhere! Ended up with a spider bite that was an experience to give me nightmares for awhile!! (mine wasn't nearly as bad as another guys on the boat either but still needed debriding and had some necrotic tissue) In the flooded forest with depths 2inches to 4 feet I really expected to find a lot of apisto's and didn't. (on the Negro) Definitely shallow banks. Of couse the other people on the trip said dry season is definitely time to go. This was a plant and Victorian Lily trip and there higher water is better. On the amazon/Rio Solimes, collecting was amazingly easier. Found lots of cool aquatic plants, cory. pygmaus, hoplo. cats (not in aqaulog), whiptail cats, other cats, freshwater shrimp, apisto's, latecara, geophagus and a lone biotecus (really wanted more of these guys!!). Here I would consistently find apisto's in water that barely covered your shoes (2-3 inches) whitewater with plants, deep 4 or so inches was laetecara, and deeper geophagus. Even picked up a knife fish. One site I picked up 20 apisto's in a half hour, once I have those quarantened for awhile I will get them out into the hobby. It was an awesome trip just to see the biotopes, birds, flowers, monkeys, etc. When we get the GPS data, we will write more and corelate it with the sites and probably even an on line map (that is Eriks area so I defer to him) But we are home, alive, and only four more weeks of antimalarial medicine to take! Kathy ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!