Wild Rams are a forgotten treasure Vern. With the new strains available today we have forgotten how simply outstanding their wild bretheren really are! In my experience they make excellent parents and you will be in for a real treat as you see mama and papa take equal work loads in raising the young. As I stated earlier, the key factor is are you providing a proper environment? For wild rams I would say that would be Ph 6.5 or less and very soft water. Another key factor would be the temperture! they come from the "llanos" in colombia and their shallow water is thus a bit warmer then what we may be used to giving some of our Apisto's. So vern the fish will not eat their spawn if they have the right conditions. It sounds like you have the right conditions for the rams but perhaps you may want to drop the Ph for the checkerboard's. Best of luck to you with your new aquisitions. === David Sanchez Casselberry, FL http://www.mindspring.com/~barbax barbax2@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!