I've got P.taeniatus "nange" and they spawned in soft water (sorry no numbers) with pH ~6.5 and 80f. Ken. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!