I guess quarantine is not all that great,these fish were isolated for 3 weeks before they went into my tanks.Kathy has had her pair since jan.and were still in isolation,whats that 3 months,the worms just showed up in the last few days,strange that it shows in seattle within days of showing here.Yes definately worms of some sort. steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!