You might try Dolphin Pet Village in Campbell. I was there on Sunday and they had A. cruzi, A. borellii, A. ortmanni, a few A. cacatuoides (female i think), A nijseni, and a few labled A. sp. malombe which I assume were the A. sp. rio malome which was a recent thread here. The borellii that I have seen in the Bay Area are all male though I heard that Ocean recently had some females. I asked the nice people at Dolphin why they never had female borellii and they told me that they have ordered females repeatedly but their distributers only supplied them males. The ortmanni were of decent size and appeared to be 100% male but I didn't spend a lot of time looking at them and I don't know much about ortmanni anyway. When they first got the cruzi's they were mostly large males but are now more balanced. I should also mention that Dolphin had wild Kribs, P. altispinosa, tank raised Kribs, some L. dorsinger miss labled as L. curviceps, Anomolachromis thomasi, and some huge Laetacara (oh shoot, what is the one that starts with a "T"). Hope this helps. Paul Evans --- mudpuddle <mudpuddle@ccis.com> wrote: > Anyone know of any good LFS in San Francisco or Palo > Alto other than Ocean > or Nipon? > mudpuddle@ccis.com > > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!