Those are the only two good ones for Apistos I know. Lucky Ocean out on Balboa in SF is small but has some larger cichlids. There is a place called Caesar's up in Santa Rosa that is very good, but it doesn't have a lot of Apistos. I don't know the south Bay. Ocean on Cedar is quite a place. Worth a trip for any afficiados visiting the Bay Area. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!